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Traveller-digest    Thursday, December 16 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1508<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Exploding suppressors...<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
RE: US Constitution [OT]<BR>
Re: Exploding suppressors...<BR>
Re: They're coming! (again)<BR>
Re: Re Laws affecting Space Travel from the US [OT]<BR>
[BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
RE: Re-introduction<BR>
Re: US Constitution [OT]<BR>
Re: OT Suggestions<BR>
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
Re: technology advances<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
re: OT Suggestions<BR>
Re: laws, shmaws! space belongs to the People!<BR>
Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
RE: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
Re: Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
Re: Mars exploration<BR>
Re: Re-introduction<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:32:40 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Exploding suppressors...<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>> > Worth a read of Iain M Banks' "Consider Phlebas"<BR>
>><BR>
>>I'd love to. But the book is "too old" to be in stock at the local<BR>
>>bookstores, and too popular to be in stock at the used bookstores<BR>
>>(like Powells) that I've checked. Ditto for the rest of his >"Culture" <BR>
>>books.<BR>
><BR>
> Hell they're all over the bookstores over here...tell me what you're after, <BR>
> send some money and I'll work out how huch it'll cost to ship them if you <BR>
> like?<BR>
<BR>
I've already been offered a copy of "Consider Phlebas". If I like it, I<BR>
may take you up on that. Though it'll probably be cheaper to "special<BR>
order" them thru my Friendly Small Bookstore. I hadn't bothered with<BR>
*that* because I want to find out if I like them, first. That's why I<BR>
wanted "on the shelf", and preferrably "used". :-)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:35:51 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>> SethKimmel wrote:<BR>
>>> supposedly I'm a Cohen (I find it hard to believe<BR>
>>> the genealogy is still<BR>
>>> uninterrupted from Aaron...), so I can open it...:-)<BR>
>>><BR>
>> hehehe willing to bet your life on it?:)<BR>
>> My middle name is Aaron, but I wouldn't touch the thing.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> Leonard wrote:<BR>
>>Well, I think *intent* may be a factor here also.<BR>
><BR>
>>"Black magic is a matter of symbolism and intent."<BR>
>>    - Master Sorceror Sean O'Lochlainn<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> Hmmm, I'm not sure about that.  IIRC the character in the Bible who touched<BR>
> the Ark of the Covenant was 'merely' trying to stop it falling when the<BR>
> carriers stumbled wasn't he?  Presumably he'd have not had any evil designs<BR>
> on the thing itself and was genuinely trying to help.<BR>
<BR>
Got a chapter and verse for that? Or at least a chapter? <BR>
<BR>
I grabbed a copy of the King James Bible off the net the other day, so<BR>
I can look stuff like that up. There are several "better" versions, but<BR>
I'd have had to grab them a chapter at a time, and that's take<BR>
*forever*. <BR>
<BR>
> Oh no!  I've just realized that this is Leonard I'm arguing with!  My<BR>
> apologies, I should be struck down myself for even thinking about<BR>
> disagreeing...<BR>
<BR>
> :-)<BR>
<BR>
Just kowtow in my direction 3 times and abstain from caffeine until<BR>
Christmas and I'll overlook it *this* time. :-)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:34:10 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: US Constitution [OT]<BR>
<BR>
The Supremes have their own rule and customs.  They pick and choose which<BR>
cases to rule on - evidently at the whim of the judges on the court.<BR>
<BR>
They certainly aren't infallible - eg Dred Scott.<BR>
<BR>
Supremes are nominated by the Prez and confirmed by a vote of the Senate.<BR>
The post is for life or during 'good behavior'.<BR>
<BR>
Full details can be found at<BR>
http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/constitution/toc.html<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav:  Modern (or historic) constitutions are a great read for fleshing<BR>
out those myriad government datails of the members planets of the 3I. <BR>
<BR>
- -DM<BR>
<BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From:	Rupert Boleyn [SMTP:rboleyn@paradise.net.nz]<BR>
> Sent:	Wednesday, 15 Dec 1999 21:11<BR>
> To:	traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
> Subject:	RE: US Constitution [OT]<BR>
> <BR>
> On 15 Dec 99, at 15:31, Moody, Danny M. wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Absolutely untrue!  The Supreme Court itself, many, many times have<BR>
> stated<BR>
> > that denying cert means nothing at all - except that they didn't want to<BR>
> > deal with the issue.<BR>
> <BR>
> Maybe so, but by not hearing cases dealing with a particular issue, the <BR>
> Supreme Court is allowing whatever it is that is being appealed against <BR>
> to continue.<BR>
> <BR>
> In the case of gun control by refusing to hear 2nd amendment cases the <BR>
> Supreme Court is allowing state and federal gun control laws to exist <BR>
> and be enforced regardless of thier constitutional legality. <BR>
> <BR>
> It strikes me that this is a weakness in the US system - if the Supreme <BR>
> Court won't hear cases the constitution can be ignored. How are Supreme <BR>
> Court members selected?<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> --<BR>
> Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
> Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
> <BR>
> A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:53:29 GMT<BR>
From: "i Steve" <isteve1967@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Exploding suppressors...<BR>
<BR>
>I've already been offered a copy of "Consider Phlebas". If I like >it, I <BR>
>may take you up on that. Though it'll probably be cheaper to >"special <BR>
>order" them thru my Friendly Small Bookstore. I hadn't >bothered with <BR>
>*that* because I want to find out if I like them, >first. That's why I <BR>
>wanted "on the shelf", and preferrably "used". >:-)<BR>
<BR>
Oh you will....CP is so incedibly "Traveller" I was convinced Iain was a <BR>
gamer until I asked him.  He said he'd always wanted to try but was a little <BR>
intimidated by not knowing how.  If only I lived nearer to Scotland I'd have <BR>
offered him a place in my campaign...<BR>
<BR>
iSteve<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:12:40 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: They're coming! (again)<BR>
<BR>
At 20:55 -0500 15/12/99, Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>
>A contemporary War of the Worlds game would be very<BR>
>appropriate, what with the recent losses of Mars<BR>
>probes, the "meteorite" falls in Australia, the<BR>
>large-scale melting of the Antarctic ice-cap ...<BR>
>should you use GURPS rules or Call of Cthulhu?<BR>
<BR>
I think it's 'migo' to answer. That one should be either classified <BR>
'Delta Green' or handled by NRO Section DELTA for Majestic 12. ;-)<BR>
<BR>
ObRPG: if looking at this kind of scenario consider Pagan <BR>
Publishing's 'Delta Green' for a scary take.<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:50:53 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Laws affecting Space Travel from the US [OT]<BR>
<BR>
At 7:37 -0500 16/12/99, shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) wrote:<BR>
>I don't recall if the story mentions it, but a setup like that on the<BR>
>moon would have some marked advantages. The antenna is best laid out as<BR>
>a set of radials, not a tall tower. So that saves on materials *and* is<BR>
>easier to build.<BR>
<BR>
IIRC, Tarsus' communication system was based off a radio on the moon?<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:58:39 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
<BR>
BITS - British Isles Traveller Support<BR>
http://www.bits.org.uk/<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
"Something wonderful is going to happen."<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
... to be continued.<BR>
<BR>
Dom (BITS Webmaster)<BR>
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                  BITS - British Isles Traveller Support.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:58:52 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: RE: Re-introduction<BR>
<BR>
My pleasure :)<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Black ICE<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:34 PM<BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Re-introduction<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Ross Coburn wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> So, what are the hot, done to death and overly sensitive topics du jour?<BR>
<BR>
Well, in October we had the dreaded Four Flamewars of the Apocalypse:<BR>
<BR>
**begin quote from October 1999**<BR>
<BR>
> Nooooooooo!  It is the time the prophets warned us of so long ago, when<BR>
> the Four Flamewars of the Apocalypse would rage over the TML<BR>
> simultaneiously!  Already we had "where does jump fuel go" and "what was<BR>
> the best rules version".  Now the terrifying countenance of "what is a<BR>
> feudal technocracy" blazes in the heavens.  Can it be long before "why<BR>
> don't people fight wars with near-c rocks" emerges from the sea to<BR>
> complete the prophecy and signal the doom of us all?<BR>
<BR>
Now is the time of the Gathering, when the stroke of a key will unleash<BR>
a spray of Pepsi on the keyboard.  In the end, there can be only one....<BR>
<BR>
**end quote from October 1999**<BR>
<BR>
As I'm sure you guessed, the "near-c rocks" issue came up again shortly<BR>
thereafter.<BR>
<BR>
More recently, we've been working on the Annual TML 2d Amendment<BR>
Debate....<BR>
<BR>
On a more positive note, C**f is still off the list....<BR>
<BR>
http://www.vision-forge-graphics.com/jesse/traveller/ditzie.htm<BR>
<BR>
(See the fourth illustration from the top for details.)<BR>
<BR>
[I just _love_ pointing these drawings out!  Thanx, Jesse!]<BR>
<BR>
Hope that helps!<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:05:03 -0700<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: US Constitution [OT]<BR>
<BR>
Kyle Schuant wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Leonard wrote:<BR>
> > Since then the court has *refused* to hear any<BR>
> > appeals involving the<BR>
> > second amendment.<BR>
> > Though it seems a *strong*<BR>
> > possibility that the court<BR>
> > wants no part of this mess.<BR>
> Frankly, I don't blame them. But it seems to me that<BR>
> part of letting yourself be appointed to the Supreme<BR>
> Court means being willing to get into a "mess". When I<BR>
> joined the Army I didn't act surprised when they sent<BR>
> me to combat. The SC is there to deal with messy<BR>
> issues. If they were simple and clear-cut all the<BR>
> time, you wouldn't need the SC.<BR>
<BR>
Well, the Court is also limited in that the issues it can rule on can<BR>
only be brought up in the specific form that come to it though the<BR>
appeals court. They often wait for just the right case, so as to settle<BR>
issues in the broadest fashion possible, to clear up the mess once and<BR>
for all. So iften they will not immediately choose relvant cases.<BR>
<BR>
Also, most, if not all gun laws are _state_ laws not federal ones; the<BR>
various state supreme courts have to rule on those, before the federal<BR>
court sytem even gets a crack at it.<BR>
<BR>
And finally, thanks to the partisan %%#$@%#'s in Congress, the US<BR>
Federal court system is woefully understaffed, as they have consistently<BR>
refused to even hold hearings on judicial appointments in the main.<BR>
<BR>
I don't care what your opinon of Clinton and his administration is,<BR>
blocking juducial appointments on the basis of partisan politics is not<BR>
governance, but political games.  The R's seem to have the idea of 'We<BR>
don't like your politics, so we just won't approve any judges until we<BR>
get someone in the presidency that we like...until then the American<BR>
people can go hang...'<BR>
<BR>
This is exactly the kind of thing that caused Cleon I to become Emperor<BR>
Cleon....<BR>
- -- <BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:41:41 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: OT Suggestions<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Sorry for the off topic post, but this last has people who can help!<BR>
><BR>
> I'll be migrating from Window to a new PowerMac G-4/400 next week and <BR>
> wondered what the "must have" utilities and software were.  Other than the <BR>
> Rob Prior Trav items over on BITS' site, what do you recommend?<BR>
><BR>
> Feel free to reply off list to keep the noise down.<BR>
<BR>
Well, as someone who hadsn't "migrated" but has "expanded my horizons"<BR>
by picking up old Macs (I'm now up to an SE) I can tell you the things<BR>
that I found usefull. <BR>
<BR>
First, Z-Term. It's a decent terminal program, supports PC characters<BR>
and ANSI fairly well, and let's you use Zmodem to move stuff around. <BR>
<BR>
You'll also want copies of the Mac archivers Stuffit (produces SIT<BR>
files) and Compact Pro (CPT files). And a copy of BinHex 4. These will<BR>
make getting software from BBSes or via email *much* easier. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:16:01 +0000<BR>
From: Ewan Quibell <E.D.Quibell@bton.ac.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
<BR>
Go on then I'll bite ....<BR>
<BR>
What ?<BR>
<BR>
Or are you just building the anticipation ?<BR>
<BR>
Ewan<BR>
<BR>
SD Mooney wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> BITS - British Isles Traveller Support<BR>
> http://www.bits.org.uk/<BR>
> <BR>
> "Something wonderful is going to happen."<BR>
> <BR>
> ... to be continued.<BR>
> <BR>
> Dom (BITS Webmaster)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
   Ewan Quibell                       Their's not to make reply,<BR>
   Senior Communications Engineer     Their's not to reason why,<BR>
   Computer Centre                    Their's but to do and die:<BR>
   University of Brighton             Into the valley of Death<BR>
                                      Rode the six hundred.<BR>
   E.D.Quibell@brighton.ac.uk              Alfred, Lord Tennyson<BR>
<BR>
   #include<stddisclaimer.h><BR>
<BR>
   My spelling is entirerly due to dyslexia, typos, and poetic license<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:16:09 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson writes:<BR>
> > Unfortunately, that's sort of a prerequisite for getting into orbit.  <BR>
> <BR>
> Not really. It's a requirement for getting the last possible ounce of<BR>
> payload for a given amount of fuel. But I've read articles by folks<BR>
> involved with several different "alternative launch systems" that say<BR>
> much what I did. <BR>
<BR>
Well, a 10% reduction in efficiency corresponds to around a 40% reduction in payload for a typical design.  Most 'alternative launch systems' have one thing in common: they're experimental and not yet ready for production.  It doesn't take any special assumptions to have a design which will be ready for use in 2005 to outperform a design which was finalized in 1982.<BR>
<BR>
> This is why multi-stage rockets were invented. They are *not*<BR>
> inherently "one use". <BR>
<BR>
Nothing in what I said is contradicted by multi-stage rockets.<BR>
<BR>
> Startups start out by designing and testing launchers for small<BR>
> payloads. And for your information, it is possible for "high power"<BR>
> model rockets to orbit payloads. Nobody has done it yet because not<BR>
> only is it expensive, but getting the flight plan approved would be a<BR>
> nightmare. <BR>
<BR>
Calling it a 'model rocket' at that point is pushing it, but I can believe its possible.  I doubt the payload percentage is very high, though.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:18:51 +0000<BR>
From: Timothy.Collinson@solent.ac.uk<BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
I'd written:<BR>
> Hmmm, I'm not sure about that.  IIRC the character in the Bible who<BR>
touched<BR>
> the Ark of the Covenant was 'merely' trying to stop it falling when the<BR>
> carriers stumbled wasn't he?  Presumably he'd have not had any evil<BR>
designs<BR>
> on the thing itself and was genuinely trying to help.<BR>
<BR>
Leonard (very fairly) asked:<BR>
>Got a chapter and verse for that? Or at least a chapter?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Drat!  I knew you'd ask that.  Fortunately, I work in a Library and after a<BR>
bit of a hunt...<BR>
<BR>
2 Samuel 6   (and the same story in 1 Chronicles 13)<BR>
<BR>
the relevant bit is this for those who can't be bothered to look it up:<BR>
<BR>
"Once more David called together the best soldiers in Israel, a total of<BR>
thirty thousand men, and led them to Baalah in Judah, in order to bring<BR>
there God's Covenant Box, bearing the name of the Lord Almighty, whose<BR>
throne is above the winged creatures.  They took it from Abinadab's home on<BR>
the hill and placed it on a new cart.  Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab,<BR>
were guiding the cart, with Ahio walking in front.  David and all the<BR>
Israelits were dancing and singing with all their might to honour the Lord.<BR>
They were playing harps, lyres, drums, rattles, and cymbals.<BR>
<BR>
As they came to the threshing-place of Nacon, the oxen stumbled, and Uzzah<BR>
reached out and took hold of the Covenant Box.  At once the Lord God became<BR>
angry with Uzzah and killed him because of his irrevrance.  Uzzah died<BR>
there beside the Covenant Box, and so that place has been called Perez<BR>
Uzzah (Punishment of Uzzah) ever since.  David was furious because the Lord<BR>
had punished Uzzah in anger."  (Today's English Version - something of a<BR>
paraphrase - i.e. 'liberal modern language' translation).<BR>
<BR>
(It then goes on about David being too scared to move it, it blessing the<BR>
home of the guy who stored it for 3 months, and then David - having heard<BR>
about the blessing - moving it to Jerusalem.  He dances in front of it<BR>
wearing very little and has his wife object to the embarrassment.  The<BR>
chapter bluntly finishes: "she never had any children".)<BR>
<BR>
A commentary I found says this:<BR>
"The punishment of Uzzah has often been objected to as excessive,<BR>
especially as his intention was good.  Addording to the law the ark had to<BR>
be treated with very great reverence as a symbol of God's presence, e.g.,<BR>
not to be touched but carried on staves (Exodus 25:14,15. cf Numbers<BR>
4:15,20).  The majesty of the holy One was symbolized by the ark.  It was<BR>
necessary to teach the Israelites the infinite holiness of God even if by<BR>
'terrible acts'.  The ark had been in the house of Abinadab for between 70<BR>
and 80 years.  His son Eleazar had been consecrated to care for it (1<BR>
Samuel 7:1).  Uzzah and Ahio must have been sons of Abinadab in the wide<BR>
sense of 'descendants' - in this case 'grandsons'.  Having had the ark so<BR>
long in their home they might have been expected to have learned the sacred<BR>
regulations concerning it.  The narrative shows, however, that neither<BR>
they, nor David, nor his advisers, did so, although the priests and Levites<BR>
were concerned in the arrangements (1 Chronicles 13:1-8).  The Levitical<BR>
laws laid down that the ark must be carried by the Levites, but they could<BR>
not come near it till it was covered by the priests, and they must not<BR>
touch it except by staves on pain of death (cf. Numbers 4:5, 15, 19, 20.<BR>
See also 1 Chronicles 15:2)."<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
For further adventures of the Ark (called the Covenant Box in the version I<BR>
have to hand) try 1 Samuel 4, 5, 6 and the beginning of 7.  Here you get<BR>
all sorts of stuff about the disasters that the Philistines experienced<BR>
when they captured the Ark in a battle.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>I grabbed a copy of the King James Bible off the net the other day, so<BR>
>I can look stuff like that up. There are several "better" versions, but<BR>
>I'd have had to grab them a chapter at a time, and that's take<BR>
>*forever*.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Urh, an hour and a quarter with two of us dividing the work and a fast<BR>
University connection... <cough>.  I *didn't* say that.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, to find an obligatory Traveller bit I'm sure you've all been<BR>
thinking up ways that an odd religion might have a sacred object with just<BR>
such characteristics even if it's not the actual Ark as has been discussed.<BR>
Elvis' guitar anyone?  But how about if there was some perfectly valid<BR>
(scientfic) reason why it does kill anyone who touches it?  I'm sure<BR>
Leonard will have a few up his sleeve.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
tc<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:12:48 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: re: OT Suggestions<BR>
<BR>
At 11:39 -0500 16/12/99, Kurt Feltenberger <kurt@blazenet.net> wrote:<BR>
>I'll be migrating from Window to a new PowerMac G-4/400 next week and<BR>
>wondered what the "must have" utilities and software were.  Other than the<BR>
>Rob Prior Trav items over on BITS' site, what do you recommend?<BR>
><BR>
>Feel free to reply off list to keep the noise down.<BR>
<BR>
There are fully enabled versions of Rob's other Traveller material at <BR>
my website:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.cybergoths.u-net.com/<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Otherwise:<BR>
<BR>
Commercial:<BR>
MacLink Plus 11 - Conversion software for dealing with PCs<BR>
Toast 4 - CD Authoring<BR>
Stuffit Deluxe - Mac Standard Compression software<BR>
<BR>
Other:<BR>
Palm Desktop - organiser software free from Palm.com which works <BR>
great as a stand alone package.<BR>
Fetch - FTP software<BR>
Eudora Lite (or full)<BR>
Escape Velocity (shareware game)<BR>
Marathon collection (3D shooter)<BR>
<BR>
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.<BR>
<BR>
Tip: If you're playing a CD and launch another app (eg Eudora and <BR>
check the mail) and the sound disappears, click on the little <BR>
microphone & CD symbol on the control strip (the little tab on the <BR>
side of your screen if enabled, which allows you to change the sound <BR>
source). When MacOS went to version 8.1+ any app can change the sound <BR>
sources - ocassionally, you may want to reselect the original <BR>
settings.<BR>
<BR>
Tip2: If you click and a half (ie click then hold down) the mouse <BR>
pointer turns to a magnifying glass and you can open folders with it <BR>
by placing it over them and waiting. You can navigate down a number <BR>
of layers like that and when you release only the last window (and <BR>
the first) remains open. This also works if you drag a file over a <BR>
folder and hold it with the button depressed.<BR>
<BR>
And I am jealous of your G4, but welcome to the lands beyond the <BR>
Wintel Hegemony ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:09:33 EST<BR>
From: KenRoney@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: laws, shmaws! space belongs to the People!<BR>
<BR>
The situation governing the exploitation of resources located in outer space is very murky.  I just finished writing a law review article on the topic.  There is a point to be made that space is the "common heritage of mankind" but that means different things to different people, the US government has never felt that it means much more than it did under the old law of the sea.  And yes, there is a UN treaty (the 1979 Moon Agreement) that appears to say that the resources would be essentially confiscated and then "equitably" distributed by the leaders of the majority Third World nations, but that treaty has only been ratified by nine nations, so it applies to you readers who reside in Australia, but as a US citizen, I can ignore it.  Given that the major powers are reverting to the time honored tradition of blowing off (or blowing away) minor powers that get in their way, it appears that the real barrier to the exploitation of these resources is likely political opposition by!<BR>
  e!<BR>
nvironmental/humanitarian/anti-tech factions in the developing nations and the chilling effect that nebulous property rights will have upon both potential developers and the financial community.  Still, the potential is so huge that SOMEBODY, somewhere is likely to start in a couple of decades once costs to orbit are brought down by the coming SSTO's.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:33:33 -0800<BR>
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
Subject: Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Kelly St.Clair" <kellys@efn.org><BR>
>Subject: Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
...<BR>
>>That is, after all, exactly what happened in the<BR>
>>American Revolution.  The people overthrew the British<BR>
>>colonial government.  <BR>
><BR>
>However, for reasons that should be obvious to the astute reader, the<BR>
>people who are currently in charge of USGov prefer not to mention this<BR>
>interpretation of the Second Amendment very much.  (It might give people<BR>
>ungood ideas.)<BR>
<BR>
  Hasn't this pertained since at least the 1850's or so? :)<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:13:47<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
<BR>
At 03:58 PM 12/16/1999 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
>BITS - British Isles Traveller Support<BR>
>http://www.bits.org.uk/<BR>
><BR>
>"Something wonderful is going to happen."<BR>
<BR>
"My God, it's full of penguins..."<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:17:48<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: RE: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
<BR>
At 09:41 AM 12/16/1999 +1300, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>I always knew there was a reason to mount up pairs of MGs. They wait <BR>
>for the pause in firing , stick thier heads up, just in time for gun <BR>
>no.2<BR>
<BR>
Back in WWII, the M-1 Garand annoucned it was empty by ejecting the<BR>
stripper clip with a very loud pinging noise.  Germany troops would hear<BR>
this sound and try to move in the few seconds in would take the Ami to reload.<BR>
<BR>
Then the Americans for a spring that made the exact same noise...<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
"We were the perfect partners.  Her life was out of a Norman Rockwell<BR>
painting; mine was out of a Tim Burton movie."     -"Law & Order"<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:32:45<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
<BR>
At 10:49 AM 12/16/1999 +1100, you wrote:<BR>
>    I apologise if this has been raised before but why do Marines get the<BR>
>Cutlass? They never used them historically, Marines started out using<BR>
>Muskets and Bayonets and even the officers used a different sword. Enlisted<BR>
>Naval personnel were the main users of the Cutlass, they also used Boarding<BR>
>Axes and Boarding Pikes as well all though these don't seem to be an option.<BR>
<BR>
The same reason that the US Army has a Cavalry Division.  Tradition!<BR>
<BR>
The Imperial Marines trace their lineage to the Sylean Navy's Landing<BR>
Force.  That service traces back to a Rule of Man Marine unit that was<BR>
stranded on Sylea during Twilight.  The RoM Marines trace back to the<BR>
Terran Confederation, which drew shock troops from units like the USMC, the<BR>
Royal Marines, various elite airborne units.<BR>
<BR>
So the concept of the Cutlass is an important link to the Marines' long<BR>
history.  In practise, the Marines teach swordplay as a conditioning<BR>
exercise, as a method of improving body control (important when you are<BR>
fighting in battle dress), and as an easy shipboard recreational activity.<BR>
Any stretch of corridor can be turned into a piste, with electronic scoring.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/sylea.html<BR>
<BR>
TML Great Old One<BR>
Plague of the Traveller Riders of the Apocalypse<BR>
Chant "Gridlore" thrice to summon.<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:34:09<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Mars exploration<BR>
<BR>
At 09:13 PM 12/16/1999 +1100, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>>None of this relates to mars exploration, of course.  There's no<BR>
>commercial reason to go there.<BR>
><BR>
>Yet ....<BR>
<BR>
There was no reason to go to the New World either. (Drinking my chocolate<BR>
milk, staring at the tobacco ad on the back of the magazine near me...)<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:40:16<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re-introduction<BR>
<BR>
At 12:33 AM 12/16/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Now is the time of the Gathering, when the stroke of a key will unleash<BR>
>a spray of Pepsi on the keyboard.  In the end, there can be only one....<BR>
<BR>
Spllufff... <BR>
<BR>
<f/x: keyboard exploding like one of those Star trek jobbies that has<BR>
50,000mV power cables wired to it><BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
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